The Importance of Inner Work with Maile, Wendy, and Roxy Ep #121

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Oftentimes we think we need the right system, playbook, or strategy to help us lead our teams and grow our businesses. But doing the inner work is what helps you break through your barriers, heal, and then grow without the unhealthy patterns that got you where you are today. Purpose and Profit mastermind members Wendy, Maile, and Roxy are the perfect examples of that work. Listen in as they talk about what they thought the mastermind would teach them vs. what they’ve learned.

Oftentimes we think we need the right system, playbook, or strategy to help us lead our teams and grow our businesses. But doing the inner work is what helps you break through your barriers, heal, and then grow without the unhealthy patterns that got you where you are today. Purpose and Profit mastermind members Wendy, Maile, and Roxy are the perfect examples of that work. Listen in as they talk about what they thought the mastermind would teach them vs. what they’ve learned.

Here are a few highlights:

  • How the mastermind reinforces the need for radical self-trust
  • Why it’s important to join the mastermind before you’re in burnout
  • What it means to ‘get systems’ when you join the mastermind
  • Why investing in your network marketing business should be as normal as investing in a brick and mortar business
  • Why healthy leadership is about health in your family, your team, your business, and your body
  • How to have compassion for yourself once you learn a different/healthier way
  • The reason the mastermind is set up for two rounds
  • Learning that it’s safe to slow down 

Embracing your emotions, learning to trust yourself as a business owner, and knowing when to invest in your business are all things that require inner work. The mastermind provides a safe space to talk about your work and areas of growth with a group of other leaders from the industry. There’s no other place like it in the network marketing industry.   

You can find Wendy Gendreau on Instagram where she shows moms how to flourish and find balance in their everyday life. (@wendygendreau)

Maile Maii shares her adventures in travel, motherhood, and marriage while raising her 3 daughters in Hawaii. Find her on Instagram here. (@ailalovelife)

Find Roxy Saran over on Instagram where she shares her motherhood and healthy eating journey. (@roxy.saran)

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Transcript for Episode #121 The Importance of Inner Work with Maile, Wendy, and Roxy

Kristen Boss (00:00:05):

Welcome to purposeful social selling with Kristen boss. I’m your host, Kristen boss. I’m a mindset and business coach with more than 15 years experience in both the product and service based industry. I believe that social selling is the best business model for people wanting to make an impact while they make serious income. This is the podcast for the social seller, who is tired of feeling and authentic in their business and desires to find a more purposeful and profitable way of growing their business. In today’s social media landscape. In this podcast, you will learn what it takes to grow a sustainable business through impactful and social marketing. It’s time to ditch the hustle and lead from the heart. Let me show you the new way.

Kristen Boss (00:00:48):

Hey bosses. Welcome to another episode of the podcast. This week, I have more special guests with me. I have three mastermind members with me who are in their first round of the purpose and profit mastermind. And they’re here to share a little bit about their experience, what they’ve been learning, what they’re continuing to learn. And I know that you will probably get value again, even if you’re not applying for the round, you’re not a six figure earner. I am sure these women have insane value to offer for you. So pull up a chair, get something good to drink because it’s gonna be a good episode. So what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna go around and I’m just gonna have these ladies introduce themselves and just share a little bit, what I’ll have you guys do is I’ll have you share a little bit about, you know, where you were in your business before the, um, before you joined the mastermind and what made you decide to join? So we’ll start with you, Wendy. Introduce yourself to my people.

Wendy Gendreau (00:01:41):

Hey, Hey, my name is Wendy gen. I have been in the industry since I was 18 years old. So 18 years seems so crazy, but I absolutely love this industry so much, uh, where I was when I decided to join the mastermind. You know, honestly it was a lot of personal, personal things, you know? Um, I know I needed to work on setting some healthy boundaries around work around my family. Since I’ve grown my business, we grew big. We grew fast and my family has like tripled <laugh>. So I needed to learn a lot of things, uh, in different ways. And so that’s a little bit about where I was and why I joined.

Kristen Boss (00:02:21):

I love it. What about you Maile? Go ahead and introduce yourself.

Maile Maii (00:02:26):

Hey, hello, everyone I’m Maile Maii. Um, I actually dabbled in this industry very early. Um, I was like 18 and had a really bad experience, um, and swore off network marketing forever. <laugh> um, I’ve now been with my company for about eight years now and absolutely love it. And can’t imagine doing anything else. I was drawn to join the mastermind through SSA, but it all happened very quickly. I’ve always invested in coaching throughout my business. I’ve always, um, saw that as a necessary part of the development of, of myself personally, to grow into, um, the leader that I wanted to be, uh, in this industry. And so I’ve always invested in coaching and mentorship. Um, but it had been a long season of not having a coach that really resonated with me, um, until I found you. And that happened all real quick. It was, I just went through the podcast and then I was like, okay. Yes. And then, um, I forget what it was was the around Christmas time. Yeah.

Kristen Boss (00:03:32):

It to sustainable success,

Maile Maii (00:03:33):

Sustainable success. And everything was just like, yes, yes, yes. I was like, okay, I need the social selling academy. And then it just went into like, okay. Yes, like Kristen, you’re the coach for me, this is just resonating and really hitting with me. And I didn’t realize until that point that I had actually been really wanting and like needing coaching again and, and really hungry for that. But, um, it needed to be the right aligned coaching. And so I’m, I’m so happy to found you and to be a part of this container has been just incredible.

Kristen Boss (00:04:06):

What’s what was resonating with you the most? What were you like? I’m ready for this coaching and this is what aligns for me.

Maile Maii (00:04:12):

I think that it was really your authenticity and your ability to speak to the challenges that I had experienced and that I was currently experiencing you weren’t just another coach from the outside, but you actually understood this industry. Mm-hmm <affirmative> which all my previous coaches were life coaches or business coaches, but not specifically in this realm. Um, and I think that there’s some nuances that are really important to understand that not everybody understands mm-hmm <affirmative>, there’s so many other elements in here.

Kristen Boss (00:04:46):

Yes. Oh, I love that. And what about you Roxy share with my people? What brought you to the mastermind a little bit about you?

Roxy Saran (00:04:53):

Awesome. Thank you, Roxy here. And I am going on 10 years with my company that is so hard to believe. Uh, that’s like a decade, right? A whole lifetime. I am kind of opposite. I, a friend shared this podcast with me and it actually made sense. And I was like, wow. It looks like, I literally felt like you were reading my journal. Like how, like, I, I was walking on the trails in my area and I was like, how did, like, how does she know what is in my heart? What am like, everything that I’m dealing with right now versus almost like Maile was saying, not just abstractly. People are speaking abstractly about this business, but not really understanding the ins and outs of it literally right now. And I just really connected with you. And first I was like, I’ve started at podcast one and then listened to the entire, all of them.

Roxy Saran (00:05:40):

I was like, I’m gonna get everything I can out of this for free. You know, I’m so like frugal and intentional with my investment, but I’ve always, I’m not afraid to invest in my business. I thought if, um, most business, most of the time in my business, I invested, I thought I’m gonna pay for speed. You’re gonna pay to speed up. But yours is like opposite. It’s like, you’re actually paying to slow down. And that was mind boggling to me. It was like, wait a minute, intentionally slowing down so that you can later speed up was just blew my mind. And so that’s why I’m here.

Kristen Boss (00:06:11):

I love it. And I feel like, was it you, that was telling Maile, like my, like, come do this with me. I was like, I was trying to remember like, who said what to who? But I remember at the live event, one of you was like, I told my friend to get in here before there were fires on the boat. Like get here before your business is in crisis. Get here before there’s a bunch of problems. And would you, would you speak to that a little bit? Cuz I do think some people wait until there’s I, I think that’s when people tend to think, oh, now I need coaching because there’s all these problems or they don’t see a need for coaching unless everything’s on fire and everything is terrible.

Roxy Saran (00:06:48):

Yeah, for sure. That was me. So, um, cause when you do the mastermind, um, like plug for the mastermind, it’s a webinar. So you don’t know who’s on there. Right? So we, Maile was like, are you on this? I’m like, yeah. Are you on this? You know? And so we’re messaging back and forth. And she was like, I dunno if I need this I’m you know, she had just hit founder. She’s got all these founders on her too. She’s she’s booming in her business. And I was like, no, no, like stop. Like I’m your elder. Okay, listen, don’t wait. Right. Don’t wait for that time. Because I’ve I’ve I was in that place where everything was going so fast that it wasn’t sustainable and it wasn’t duplicatable in any form. And like burnout isn’t even the description for it. <laugh> like every day was putting out a fire. It was just a different flavor of fire. And so to, and, and there’s that maybe scarcity of thinking, I have to slow down to clean systems up or anything like that. There was nowhere on that radar that, that wasn’t even on the, that was not an option.

Kristen Boss (00:07:48):

Yeah. When you’re too busy surviving, thinking about a system, sounds very thinking about a system you’re in a of survival feels very scary. It feels very unsafe. It feels risky being like, what do you mean? Take the time to build a system when currently everything’s on fire. But when you realize everything’s on fire, because I don’t have a system <laugh> yeah. This is the way to solve for this.

Roxy Saran (00:08:14):

Tell Maile, you need to be in this mastermind. And then she messaged me, are you doing it? And I was like, I dunno. She’s like, no, we need to do this together. So it works both ways. Well,

Maile Maii (00:08:24):

I think on that discovery call, I don’t know if you remember, but I raised my hand and I was like so terrified. And that was exactly what I asked about was systems. Cause I was like, okay, I know I need systems. I’ve known that for a while. Like, is this gonna be my, you know, answer to that? Here you go. Systems. <laugh>

Kristen Boss (00:08:42):

Okay. I, I totally remember that. I was gonna bring that up. I was like my li I totally remember that. I remember when you were like, I think you asked it like three different ways because it was so important to you. Like you’re like, yeah, but I need to know, am I going to the boat

Maile Maii (00:08:57):

Had been on fire so many different times throughout my, my journey that I had already, like, I clearly knew that I needed systems. I just didn’t know how or what to make. And so that was like definitely why I was looking at the mastermind.

Kristen Boss (00:09:15):

Yeah. And then let’s talk about,

Maile Maii (00:09:17):

Since I asked it three different things <laugh>

Kristen Boss (00:09:20):

I just knew. And I was like, yes, Maile, you will get it. You will get it. We will cover it in depth. Like we, I think we take an entire, uh, at least half a day at one of the, at part of the event to talk about the mindset of systems that all the nitty gritty with systems, the, the necessary steps and framework of the systems and all of that. And I would just love, you know, and we’ll, we’ll go around. I would love for you guys to describe kind of your, um, I think Laura said this in the last interview, she said, uh, so round one kind of breaks you open. I was broke, open, cracked, open. So I would love for you guys to share a little bit about your expectations coming into the mastermind and then the reality that hit you at the live event. Like I came for a, and I’m realizing now it’s B, C, D E, and F that I didn’t even know wasn’t even in my frame of mind. So Wendy, can you speak to that a little bit?

Wendy Gendreau (00:10:18):

Oh my goodness. <laugh> well, I think, you know, I was pretty easy on myself for expectations because I just knew I needed to be here. I, I just had this very intuitive feeling like this isn’t the right time. There’s never, ever gonna be a perfect time. And for us, I don’t know if you remember, but

Kristen Boss (00:10:37):

I remember your interview was in a NICU. You sent me your application video. You were in the NICU with your baby. Am I right?

Wendy Gendreau (00:10:44):

Yes. Yeah. If I remember cuz you had been on my radar and I wanted to do the mastermind, I’m like, this is the craziest time I had been 400 miles away from my family, my other five kids at home with my husband for four months. I’m like, this is the, the last thing on, on, you know, on my list to do. And I watched the, the, the webinar you did and you just spoke to every pain point. I didn’t know. I really had, like, I knew I had a, but you like, you were, you have this gift to like UN unravel in a very graceful servanthood way of like, but, but no, you do need this. You may not think you do, but, but you actually really do. And if you don’t right now, you are going to need it. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so just, I was just gave myself a lot of grace and I was like, you know what?

Wendy Gendreau (00:11:30):

I may not think this is the right time right now, but in six months I’ll be so glad I did. And so I just had this level of trust that I knew I needed to be here. And I didn’t really, I had worked on myself, personal develop. I’m a personal development junkie. Like I just love it so much. And so I I’m always working on myself and I’m always doing all the things, but I think in, in terms of expectations, I just knew whatever was going to happen was going to be exactly what I needed.

Kristen Boss (00:12:00):


Wendy Gendreau (00:12:01):

And so I was happy with whatever, right? Like I was just happy to be here. I was thrilled to be accepted. I was so happy to be at the live event. And since the live event, I think the biggest revelation for me was I, um, how do I even explain this? Like previously, you know, like we know why we create the things we do, right? It’s like when you join the mastermind, you’re a part of this container that it’s reveals everything that’s like underneath all the stuff that you hide very subconsciously because you’re just distracting yourself and you’re buffering and you’re running around, you know, just putting out all these fires and chasing the chaos. And it slows you down to really look and evaluate at what is really going on here. And so it has been joining. The mastermind has been single handedly besides my husband and children. Of course, <laugh> the best thing I have ever done for myself.

Kristen Boss (00:13:00):

Mm that’s so good. I, I really appreciate your story. And I do remember, and I, you know, I think it’s important for somebody listening. Who’s probably in that state of like constant chaos, their hair is on fire. There’s never enough time in their day consumed by mom, guilt, wife, guilt friend, guilt, business owner, guilt. Just, I just feel like guilt, guilt, guilt, everywhere, shame, shame, shame everywhere. Yeah. That tends to perpetuate in business. And you know, it’s very easy to think. I just, when things slow down, then I can take the time to, you know, do this inner work, to get beneath all these stories. I tell myself to slow down and really evaluate these things. But there, like you said, there is never, it’s never gonna slow down. There’s never a right time. There’s never a good time. And so in your application, I remember you were in the NICU with your baby. And I remember seeing that application being like, holy moly, okay. She is serious. Like she, this is the type of person I want in this room. Like who sees like, Hey, I’m willing to make it happen. And you brought the baby and your husband to the live event, which is so

Wendy Gendreau (00:14:01):

Sweet. All the kids actually. Oh,

Kristen Boss (00:14:03):

That’s right. You kind of turned it into a little family vacation. And I think they all got the sunburns, right? Like,

Wendy Gendreau (00:14:08):

Yeah. The mountains. Yes. Family of eight traveled from North Dakota to Colorado. Yep. Yeah. I turned it into a 56 hour road trip all for, for that in another event. But yeah, it was, um, we were all committed as a family. This wasn’t just about me making this a decision for me and my business. It was me and my husband and all of the kids knew why we were there and what we were doing.

Kristen Boss (00:14:31):

I love that. And not only that, if, if, if all of that didn’t show your dedication, you also went out and you secured a business loan. You’re like, I’m gonna get a business loan to be in this mastermind so that I can be, instead of just thinking like six months, you said, okay, okay. Kristen has told us a year for a reason, I’m just gonna secure the loan for the year. So that, that I can take care of myself and see my business. And I think at the beginning, it’s very easy for someone to have thoughts and think like a year, like why is she selling me on a year? But I think once you get in the, in the container and you see all of the stories, you understand, oh, it’s actually to serve me so that I’m not running around in this container with my head cut off thinking like in a state of panic, in a flurry, trying to put everything together as quickly as possible when I have a massive organization and adding to my stress. Like, it keeps you, I think if, if I’m in this, like, okay, let’s just get you through as quickly as possible. What I’m doing is I’m perpetuating the state that you come to the mastermind in, and now we’re compounding the problems instead of like, Hey, settle in, take a seat. We’re gonna be here for a while. And I, you gotta trust the process. So, you know, speak to, I think, how would you describe your mindset when you went and secured that loan for your business?

Wendy Gendreau (00:15:48):

Well, you know, it’s so interesting because I’ve, I owned a brick and mortar franchise. And so to go get a, a loan for that, you, we wouldn’t blank, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative>, but in, in this industry, it’s like, we just have such weird thoughts around it. And so I really, I really approached it as just me having my back. And this was a business loan. It was a business loan. And I think it’s, we really need to get into the head space that we need to continuously be supporting ourselves in supporting our business. And why do we think, why do we step in this industry and think like we aren’t ever gonna need any help. I mean, we’re all human beings because

Kristen Boss (00:16:28):

It’s how I think it’s because it’s how the industry is sold at first. Like, Hey, no startup, it’s free, minimal, it’s easy. And so it’s great to get in, but when we’re talking about scaling and growing these massive organizations, you have to grow out of your hobby mindset. So with the hobby, you’re thinking, what’s my cheapest way to start with a career. You’re thinking here’s the startup cost, here’s the inventory. And so I do think like how we’re, how the industry is sold and packaged creates a little bit of a mindset block later on when it comes to like hiring a VA, outsourcing, hiring a coach, investing in a mastermind and doing things that I feel is considered maybe out of the norm for network marketing, but very normal for brick and mortar, very normal for other business practices. And my hope has been like, let’s, let’s normalize business decisions in network marketing that don’t look like hobby decisions.

Kristen Boss (00:17:24):

So I, I really appreciated that. That was, you know, part of your story of getting in, like, you know, when I think of all the objections somebody has to deciding for themselves, it’s like, okay, not good timing. You literally were in the NICU. Okay. Uh, my business, maybe I don’t need it. Or like, I don’t, I don’t wanna spend the money. You went and secured a business loan. You treated it like a business. You in, you brought the whole family on board as investors. Like your, your family are investors to your business. And I love that you brought them with you saying, here’s what mom is doing. Here’s our business. Because this, this business, it puts our roof over our heads. It puts food on the table. So of course we’re gonna care for the business because it cares for us. And I don’t know if I said this at the live event, but I always think about thinking about our businesses as like a child or a baby.

Kristen Boss (00:18:10):

Like we always, we want our babies to be well fed, well, nourished, make sure it has everything it needs. So if our child had a medical issue that was causing so many compounded issues, like if it went unaddressed and it stayed prolonged and the medical issue got worse and worse and worse, and we knew that the procedure would be $30,000, what would we do as a parent? I know me, I would sell everything. I’d be like, okay, what do we gotta do? I gotta sell furniture. I’ll secure a loan. Who do I have to talk to? Because it is my child and I care, but we don’t have that mindset with the business. And I think, especially with women, we tend to put our business on the back or back burner for the sake of motherhood, for the sake of family, not realizing like, hold on, when you Excel in business, it helps you Excel in motherhood and your family even more.

Kristen Boss (00:19:00):

So, so of course, like, absolutely. It’s no wonder if your business is in a constant state of stress that motherhood might be too, or that parenting might be too, or, or, you know, marriage might be too, which is why, you know, we talk about in the mastermind, like it’s the holistic picture of you instead of like, let’s just do whatever we can to drive the bottom line as quickly as possible and spike all of your cortisol and burn out your adrenals in the next six months. It’s like, okay, hold on. Let’s take the long game approach here and let’s look at you as a whole. So I love your take on that, Wendy, um, Maile or Roxy, I would love for you guys to share a little bit about like your expectation, we’ll start with you. Maile what was your expectation coming in? And then the reality, which is fun, cuz I kind of coached you a little bit on it today, earlier in our call. But if you could just share with our listeners just a little bit about your kind of you’re awakening, like this is what I thought I came for and this is what it turned out to be.

Maile Maii (00:19:54):

Yeah. Um, and it is all still so fresh. I, I definitely, like I said earlier, the systems system systems, that was my focus. And when I get focused on something, I’m, <laugh> pretty, pretty set on it. Um, and I think that became very evident starting with a live event that, that, that wasn’t gonna be my whole work here. Um, and just like Wendy, like I love personal development. Um, I would consider myself junky status as well. Um, just obsessed with it and, and growing myself. And when I came to the live event, I realized like that actually is gonna be a lot of the work. Um, and hearing, especially from so many, um, having so many round one, uh, returnee and getting to talk with them and finding out that their personal growth, um, was a big part of their round one. And I think that really set the expectation for me that it was okay.

Maile Maii (00:20:51):

Like it was okay if I was going to let that be my lessons and let that be my work for round one. And I really embraced it from that point, like in March. And um, like you said, that whole idea of not rushing us through, like I was already sold on round two. I was like, yeah, I’m gonna need to be in this for a year because I don’t wanna rush through it. I don’t wanna keep doing this, this frantic rushing type of, of work. I wanna actually be very thoughtful. I wanna be very intentional with what I’m creating and really looking at recreating. The foundation of my business has actually been my focus and that starts with recreating the foundation of myself. My kids are very young. They were even younger in my big early days of building my business. My biggest pushes of building my business and re relearning how to be myself, but be in this business so that I can scale it.

Maile Maii (00:21:50):

So it’s so much more than systems. Um, even though I was like, so laser focused on that <laugh> yeah. Um, it’s, I’ve actually been able to very quickly, um, after the live event really pull out of that and go, okay, who do I actually have to become, um, in this? Right? How do I, how do I learn to trust myself was a lot of what we talked about this morning and that’s still big work for me. Like that’s still, um, something I’m working on, but I think that it’s not, there’s not this finish line, right? This is yes. It’s all progress that we’re making. And the part that I think surprised me the most is, I mean, and I, it’s not like I didn’t expect it, but it’s been more valuable than I expected is the perspective that I’ve gained from being in this container, being around these peers.

Maile Maii (00:22:44):

Um, I love that we have so many different companies. I think it’s 13 this round, or is it 13, 13 different companies represented and getting to see so many of my peers, these amazing women in other companies doing just amazing things and at the same time, struggling as well, because that’s the reality, right? Like we can look like we have it all together. We can look like we’re at the top of our companies and oh, she’s got not a problem in the world and that’s not true. I think for any of us, like from what I’ve from what I’ve gathered. Right. And, and even that, it just helps you to feel so seen mm-hmm <affirmative> um, by your peers, like knowing that, okay, this isn’t just one, it’s not just me in my home, having these things come up. It’s not just me and my company.

Maile Maii (00:23:33):

Yes. It’s actually like all women, like we have so many challenges are inherently the same. And that has been one of the biggest values is this, this container and these peers and even learning from other people’s coaching. Yeah. Right. The coaching that they share. And I’m like, oh my gosh. Like I could’ve wrote that, like switched that name and that’s me and getting the opportunity to learn from that. It’s just mind blowing cuz things that I never would’ve accessed. I never would’ve put my finger on without somebody else shining a light there and going, oh wow. I actually, Ooh, that, that resonates for me too. Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah.

Kristen Boss (00:24:12):

Yeah. So I think it’s, you bring up a really good point about having multiple companies and multiple people there. And I think what’s interesting is when you’re in your company and you go to conventions and like you kind of are the big dog or you peel a lot of people know, you see you, you’re like, you know, you kind of have that. You’re very aware of your rank in your company. You’re very aware of your status and your company. And then when you get in a room with people from literally 12 other different companies and everybody is clearly having success in their company, there isn’t that air of like, because there literally is zero hierarchy or status of the MI in the mastermind. It’s like, Nope, everybody here, it’s obviously doing big things. They have seen success in this industry. And I feel like it levels the playing field in the healthiest way in that mastermind.

Kristen Boss (00:24:58):

Because I think when you’re with your own company, you kind of start to do business in a vacuum and you start to think like that things that happen in your company only happen in your company. And it doesn’t happen in other companies or things that happen in your down line happens with your down line or with your product or any product. But then when you realize, oh, it doesn’t, it literally doesn’t matter the company, it doesn’t matter the product. It doesn’t matter. The starting point, we all have the exact same issues and it kind of creates, I think it removes this grass is greener. Um, idea. That’s very easy to have when you’re, you know, in a vacuum in your company and you’re thinking like, maybe it’s better over there, but then you get in the container like, oh, it’s the same. Everybody has, everybody’s gotta put the same effort in to mow the same lawn.

Kristen Boss (00:25:44):

It’s just as hard. Um, so I think it kind of, like I said, kinda levels the plain field in a really healthy way. And I think it helps to minimize shame because it’s very easy to think I’m the problem. It must be a me thing. It must be me. That’s feeling this way with my systems or that one leader that said that thing. And that hurt me. Like, and I said this in the last interview too, is at this phase in your business, you’ve been hurt big time at this phase in your business, someone has said something, a leader has left, someone has done something and there is hurt at this point. And like you couple that with like, okay, growing pains in your business, the fact that we just went through a global pandemic and I think there’s a collective trauma there with everybody, like kind of holding up for a while and then going back out, like I do feel like there is this, um, I think healing is really the requirement for a lot of business owners right now.

Kristen Boss (00:26:39):

And I’ll be honest, like as a coach, it’s kind of hard to sell healing. It’s like, it’s not sexy to be like, Hey, let’s talk about like these deep stories that are keeping you from having a more peaceful business and having a better and healthier, more profitable business. But we’re gonna work on all of your stories, your self worth, your leadership, your family, like oftentimes people are like, can we just grow the bottom line and not talk about any of those things? Because it would be just be so much easier, but, um, I’d be like, well, that’s what you did to get you here. And how has that served you up until this point? Like, this is why you either feel extreme resistance to growth or why you keep in the same place. Like at some point your stories have to be reckoned with, and that’s what, and it’s not like I sit there and say, okay, everybody, everybody post in the group, your deepest, darkest childhood wound, <laugh> it just, it just comes up in business.

Kristen Boss (00:27:33):

As you enter into a growth zone, your nervous system gets triggered a lot, which is why, you know, I brought in a coach to teach you guys about regulating your nervous system and taking care of yourself and understanding, Hey, when you do this thing, or someone says this thing, you’re gonna feel like your nervous system is incredibly dysregulated and incredibly triggered. And we have to learn to care for that so that you can take actions in your business. So I just love that you shared that, you know, it helped hearing from many people realizing it’s not just a me thing. Roxy, what about you? Oh, go ahead, Maile, go ahead.

Maile Maii (00:28:08):

Go ahead. I was just gonna say, I think before this group, I don’t know that I had a place to share those things. Um, because a lot of those, those traumas that you’re talking about, like that have happened throughout our life do come up in business. Like this is what, what unearths them and then where do you go with it? Cause you’re like, this is obviously not a business issue. So I’m not gonna take this to my company’s, um, page. Right. And yeah,

Maile Maii (00:28:35):

It, it, there really was no real place for those things before, like I said, I’ve had other coaches, but then they also didn’t understand my industry. Um, and so this has been this beautiful place to, to really recognize that like growing into top leaders in network marketing does require massive personal growth and then having a place where we can actually do that safely, where we can go through those things and talk through those things and not, you know, be shamed for bringing personal things into business where I think other industries may be like, oh, that’s not appropriate. This is, this is business. But in our businesses like who we are and taking care of our, our true self is at the forefront of being able to perform.

Kristen Boss (00:29:21):

So, yes, and this is also, and Wendy, I’ll let you add to this in a second here and then we’ll circle the Roxy. But this is also why I decided in this past round to give you guys a monthly call with a life coach, with a certified life coach, for you to have these one-on-one calls once a month, to support you in the areas around your business, where you, you had a healthy place to process. And even that life coach is like, and we also do, you know, we’re very aware of trauma informed coaching. So we also are like, Hey, this is, this is a great place to get added supplemental therapy to this work so that we continue again, we are always coaching to the whole of the person and doing that with a lot of safety and precaution and being informed, but also thinking, okay, what does it look like to support the person? Okay, let’s do once a month. One-on-one private calls with this certified life coach to hold that space and it’s trauma informed coaching. So if we need to, you know, add therapy to that or, you know, advise that we do that as well, but we, again, it’s the whole of the person, Wendy, you were gonna add something.

Wendy Gendreau (00:30:23):

Yeah. Cause, and it was really coming up in Maile spoke to it perfectly too. But, um, what I was not expecting to the extent it is, um, was how you have created such a safe place. And it’s easy to say, oh, everyone’s welcome. Everyone belongs here, but you truly have created a place where, and I think there’s such stigma too, around us as women and moms and business owners to come, you know, come to social media and be like, you know, this is my issue and this is what I’m working through because we’re supposed to appear like we have it all together. If we’re at the top of our companies and you’ve created this safe place that allows us to be honest, be open and we feel very safe and taken care of and protected, but then still we have this productive and strategic growth. And it’s such a beautiful pairing because it’s not like we’re all just like jumping into the pool, complaining about our husbands and our companies and our kids. It it’s, it just is. I, it just really came up to me when I had stopped speaking before my started was just how safe you have created this mastermind to be is something that I am so extremely grateful for.

Kristen Boss (00:31:36):

Hmm. I love that. And I, I agree. I mean, I put a lot of time and attention into that, which is why we have the application process set the way we do, which is why we vet it, which is why everybody has to sign a contract, which is why, um, we have a standard of conduct. This is why we have like our values. I think I sh and every round it’s like, how can I make it better? How can I make it more safe? And you know, my hope is I try and demonstrate my own growth to you as your coach. I tell you like, Hey, here’s something I’m actively working on. Or Hey, you know, like I had to send out an email last week being like, Hey, you know what, as your coach I’m misstepped, and here’s what I’m working on. And here’s what leadership looks like.

Kristen Boss (00:32:15):

Because if you can’t see it from me, then how on earth is it gonna be safe? It it’s especially like normalizing that there isn’t an end point that like, Hey, even here, I’ve still got my work and I’m still doing these things as well. So, and I think that’s a good lesson for leadership is like, you have to demonstrate the work. You have to be an example of the work as a leader, and you can’t ask people to be vulnerable. If you won’t be vulnerable yourself, um, Roxy, let’s talk about your expectations coming in and what it ended up being. And I know, I remember you got some pretty emotional coaching at the live event.

Roxy Saran (00:32:49):

Yeah, I sure did. So I definitely came in looking for like, what, what is the fix for my business? Like, just tell me what I need to do, because I’m definitely a doer, an activator and just give the checklist and I’m gonna, I’m gonna run with this. And you do give a lot of content. Like if you look through all of the materials that we get, like you, you get more than you can even go through. But I learn that, that wasn’t where my work was gonna be. And one of the first lessons was like, no, you have to feel your feelings. And I’m like, oh, P like, this is so fluffy and feelings are for the birds. I mean, what do we need feelings for? Like, let’s just get this done. And <laugh>, um, it really made me step back and, and you you’re like, okay, what if it’s none of these things and it’s something else.

Roxy Saran (00:33:39):

And it, when you made it, you know, made me sit with myself and it’s just such a crazy journey just in the last four months of sitting with your feelings and not turning to food or alcohol or anything else, like to just sit with yourself. And I had not done that. I had not done that previously. I was too busy. I was like, but it was almost like that rocking chair syndrome where nothing was getting accomplished, but I felt like I was doing something. And then to be able to say, okay, what is and feelings like, I literally, even now going through the thought model, I have to go to the pages with feelings. I’m like, I’m, I feel like I’m in kindergarten for feelings. Like, I, I just, I’m not good at feeling my feelings. And, um, I love how comprehensive, I, I feel like this is the spokes of the wheel of program is that you did out on the life coach.

Roxy Saran (00:34:29):

And my husband says, are you talking your shrink? You know, I’m like, yes, that’s what he calls, um, Whitney, my shrink. And he listened a little bit. And he’s like, I like her. I’m like, oh, like her too. But she was like, you know, one of the first calls with her, she was like, I think your work is gonna be, you know, sitting with your feelings. And I’m like, oh man, I hate this <laugh>. Um, but definitely that has, that has helped a lot because many times I would, um, for, for me to have success almost like, okay, I did all of these things and it’s like a recipe, right? Like if you’re making sausage and you put in all these ingredients, like you’re gonna get sausage at the end. But as I launch new leaders, they would follow my recipe, but they didn’t get sausage. Right. I’m like, how the heck is this? And so then it was like, well, because their thoughts and feelings were not in alignment. I’m like, oh my gosh. But how do you teach that? And how do you go back and build that into your system? And so I’m here for all

Kristen Boss (00:35:21):

It, the only way to teach that is to be a student of it yourself. And it’s the only way. And it’s the hardest work. And I, I know for me, I’m an engram three. And I remember there being a couple years where a therapist said to me, like, I think you need to get in your body. And I never understood what they meant. They’re like, have you, I don’t think you’re in your body much. I’m like, what do you mean? I’m here? I’m in my body. Here’s like, I, like, I was so confused. And it took me years to realize what they were saying is you don’t feel you were not present enough in your body to feel the emotional experience as a human, you leave your body with, you know, numbing with TV or food, or, you know, online shopping or for me, you know, and most high achievers, our number one coping mechanism is our work is throwing ourselves and it might not even be good work or productive work.

Kristen Boss (00:36:17):

It’s just busy work. It’s just, if I just, you know, muddle around and these things, I just don’t have to feel or think about the real thing that’s going on in my life right now. And this is why, you know, if someone’s listening, they’re like, I don’t want to come to a mastermind and feel my feelings. And it sounds like I could just hire a therapist for this instead of joining a mastermind, which is true, like, and I wanna hold space for that thought, I get it. But the reason, but the reason why we have to talk with our feelings is because the only reason we don’t do what’s required of us to get the desired result is because we are afraid to experience an uncomfortable emotion, like, like rejection or disappointment or inadequacy or humiliation, like we’re deeply afraid of experiencing those things. So we busy ourselves by avoiding those emotions and doing any other activity.

Kristen Boss (00:37:13):

But when we can learn to feel, learn to feel it on purpose and say, okay, woo. This is how disappointment feels in my body. It is an incredibly uncomfortable emotion. And although my brain is saying, we are dying, I know physically, I’m not, and I’m gonna learn to care for myself. When my nervous system is acting up, my heart rate up my, I feel my chest, you know, kind of caving in, I, I can’t catch my breath. I’m having a nervous system response to a certain event in my business. I’m gonna see it as a nervous system response, have compassion for myself and let the feeling move through my body so that I can get to the actions. I know that is required of me, but most people don’t know that they’re like, I’m just, most people just wanna be a robot. Just tell me, tell me the things.

Kristen Boss (00:38:01):

Tell me, just tell me a, B, C, and D. And I do that in the mastermind. And it’s so funny. Like, I’m like, here’s the recipe, B, C, D, and E. And then you sit there and that’s when all the stories come up. That’s when like, oh, that’s where the inner work is. And oftentimes like, we know what we need to do. Just the difference between knowing and doing is the willingness to feel uncomfortable emotions, that’s it. And so when you become somebody who can feel crappy emotions on purpose and learn, it doesn’t kill you. You, you truly become fearless in your business. So, you know, it’s, I can picture somebody listening to this and be like, can’t I just hire a therapist for this <laugh> and I would say yes, and yes, and like a therapist, isn’t going to understand the nuances of your business and leadership and coaching decisions and all of those things.

Kristen Boss (00:38:56):

And man, and like understanding your profits, your losses, your expenses, and business management, delegation, and outsourcing. Like, they will definitely help you with old child wounds or old, like old trauma. That’s just been festering for a long time. That like becomes a really safe place, which is why I’m like, I’m all for yes. Therapy with coaching, I think is the most powerful duo in the world. Like, I will always have both because one is meant to handle trauma and one is meant to help move you past that. So, you know, I just think it’s an important, you know, thing we, I say here is like, coaching is not to replace therapy and therapy is not to replace coaching. They both have their really important roles. So I think at this point we are, I think we’re about four months into all of you guys year round one. What would you say has been your biggest lesson up until this point? Wendy will start with you. What’s been your biggest lesson.

Wendy Gendreau (00:39:53):

Oh my goodness. Um, I <laugh>, what I have found is that in some of the issues I have in life, I have found that my thought process around those have carried over into other issues. It just looks different.

Kristen Boss (00:40:08):


Wendy Gendreau (00:40:09):

That has been the biggest aha for me when I figured out that, okay, I’m struggling with these thoughts over here, but when I really get down to it and work in issues in my business or our finances or our life, it’s like the same issue thought. Yes. It just is like, you always say a different flavor. It shows up as a different flavor. So figuring that out has really helped unravel in a good way. A lot of different areas in my life where I’m like, oh, okay. That’s interesting.

Kristen Boss (00:40:42):

I’m curious. What has your husband seen in you since you’ve joined the mastermind?

Wendy Gendreau (00:40:47):

Um, that I definitely have my back more. And I think that was probably one of the biggest things was I never really truly realized how I had zero self trust. Everything that kept coming up for me was I didn’t trust myself. And I was like, that’s crazy. <laugh> I trust?

Kristen Boss (00:41:03):

I remember I remember one of your coaching where I was like, oh, Wendy, I don’t think I need to coach you on this. I think you’re just needing to give yourself permission and know that you’re making a good decision,

Wendy Gendreau (00:41:13):

But that went back to yes. Failing before. And I’ve never given myself room to fail as a good thing because of perfectionist tendencies. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so, I mean, my husband is absolutely my biggest supporter and he thinks it’s amazing. And what I love is is our time slot for the mastermind live, like our call, every single one, my husband and all of my kids are like out the door like that one hour on our Tuesdays. Like everybody takes that very seriously. And, um, he has just seen me bet on myself, instead of waiting for people to say, you should do this, or you should do that. Or, you know, getting permission from you or other members like, yes, that’s where you need to go or work on. I’m just like, no, this is what I’m doing. I’m good. Yes. We’re good. We’re gonna do, we’re gonna do this. So self trust. And I like joining the mastermind. If you would’ve been like, do you have issue of self trust? I’ve been like, no,

Kristen Boss (00:42:15):

<laugh> <laugh>,

Wendy Gendreau (00:42:16):

You know what? Not at all.

Kristen Boss (00:42:17):

I think it’s, it’s incredibly common. Cuz when I ask the a lot of the round girl round two girls, their, they would say their first round was like, well I had to learn to trust myself. I didn’t realize how much lack of trust I had. I learning to have my own back. Like some of them is just like, that was all of my work round one so that I could actually, and what’s, what’s fun. I think for you guys is you may have noticed like they’re coaching the round two girls, their coaching looks different because they’re in like the, okay it’s time to get going. Here we go. Like it’s safe to move. It’s safe to, it’s safe to speed up at this point. Like the things you’re getting coaching on is you can see a little bit of the contrast between round one coaching and round two coaching is like round one.

Kristen Boss (00:43:01):

It’s like, okay, you’re safe. Can you trust yourself to slow down? Can you trust the systems? Let’s work on this story. Whereas round two is like, okay, you know, now your decision and now we go and here we go. So I, I imagine it’s probably encouraging for you guys to see the difference in that and being like, I know I’m gonna get there. I know once these stories, once I sit with them and work on myself and trust myself, I know I’m gonna be having a faster round two because of this work I did in round one. Right. Maile. What about you? What’s been your biggest lesson in the last four months.

Maile Maii (00:43:33):

So many lessons, but I think the biggest one for me has been learning self-compassion um, for myself and like how I got to where I am, how you know, with, with the hustle and all the different stories that I had about how I got here. Um, and that being okay. And not still, you know, having this guilt or shame around that or caring how other people viewed my journey. Um, just really having compassion for my whole self and that, and, and the trusting myself, like learning to, like I said earlier, like I’m still learning that and same as Wendy. Like if you’d asked me, do I trust myself? I would’ve been like, absolutely I can get us anywhere. I can do anything. I put my mind to like, I’m so capable, but that’s not the same as trusting yourself. That is, that is not the same thing.

Maile Maii (00:44:30):

Um, do I think, think I’m capable? Absolutely. Do I have like a deep innate trust that I, that I believe that I know what’s best for me and for my business, for my family, absolutely. For my business, I have had doubts. I have thought that I needed to outsource things to other people and that others knew more than I do. And I’m learning still that that’s not true. And how do I embrace that? And how do I grow in that? Um, how do I bring over those things from the rest of my life, into my business? Um, yeah, still totally a work in progress, which is why I’m like, yeah, absolutely. In for round two, I was just joking with Roxy the other day I was like, wait, do we book our hotel? Does that mean that we’re assuming that we are already accepted? <laugh> like, cause we still have to apply. She’s like, yeah, you’re right book. But I’m just gonna like assume that I’m being accepted for round two out girl. I need it. Like I’ve got so much more to go. Um, and, and, and I have been seeing beautiful things happening in my business, but literally the biggest takeaways that were so unexpected has been me, the compassion and the trust, um, for my, my own personal self.

Kristen Boss (00:45:52):

Yeah. Would you say your fam, has your family noticed anything

Maile Maii (00:45:55):

In you? My kids have no noticed the difference in like our schedule, because I have definitely shifted a lot of things that has been, um, like I’ve talked about like our, my foundation really that like permission to, to slow down. And so I’ve been putting my family first for quite a bit before, um, the mastermind started with, with some things that were happening for me, but my energy around that and my thoughts around that were different, um, before it was, I’m putting my family first and I’m like sort of escaping, um, from my business. And now right now it’s been family first in the last four months, very intentionally as a, you know, an intentional choice. And knowing that my business isn’t just hiding, I’m also working on my business in a very intentional way. Um, but I’m not hiding either in my personal life or hiding in my business.

Maile Maii (00:46:54):

Um, like you said, the, the workaholic thing, right, like is, is a real part of my, um, <laugh> my journey to get here. And then my husband, he just told me the other day, he’s like, I love this version of you where you’re so excited. Like you’re so you’re, you’re excited about all these things that you wanna do. And I think that that’s been the biggest shift is this, that excitement’s back that inspiration, that passion for my business, um, is back because I’m no longer trying to do it someone else’s way. I’m now finding my own way. And that’s fun and exciting. Um, and so he, he, yeah, he just said that like the other night he’s like, I just really love and I’m like waiting, what is he gonna say? <laugh> like, what do you love? And he is like, I just love this version where you’re like, so excited about what you’re doing. Like it’s I love it. I was like, oh, that’s so cool to hear.

Kristen Boss (00:47:45):

Ah, that’s so good. I, I love that. You talked about, you know, this idea of like you’re not, and I think we can swing two ways. We can either hide and prioritize in our family to avoid the hard and the business. And that looks really noble and it looks like the right thing to do. But like you said, you’re like, it wasn’t with intention. I was running away

Maile Maii (00:48:08):

Hard. That looks like last year for me. <laugh>

Kristen Boss (00:48:09):

Yeah. Like running away from the hard parts and no, one’s gonna sit here and say, you’re a bad person for spending time with your family. Like, it literally looks like a really noble reason. And I really think a lot of people do this. Like the moment the business gets hard, they hide in the family. Not intentionally, not because they not because they’re valuing the relationship and the quality time. It is like, I’m gonna use this as an out for the hard, right?

Maile Maii (00:48:35):

Yeah. I don’t wanna deal with this right now. So I’m just gonna

Kristen Boss (00:48:38):

Yes. Yes. And it’s like, and I wanna be very careful if someone’s hearing like, wait, are you saying it’s wrong for me to be no. Nope, no, no, no. What we were saying is like being with your family and for quality time and your love for them and really creating memories without there being any semblance of hiding from the heart in your business, that is very different than using your family to hide and just, and being with your family. Also on the other side, there is hiding in your business where there might be hard in the family. Yeah. And that is hard. And like, I, I hold so much compassion for that, which is why in the mastermind. We we’re like, you know, we celebrate date nights. We celebrate you having more sex with your husbands. We celebrate family time. Like that matters because if your personal life is more fulfilled, you were in your business for the right reasons.

Kristen Boss (00:49:29):

You’re not hiding in it. You’re not using it as a coping mechanism. You’re not using it as to self soothe. You were approaching your business from the highest place of service and the same thing. It’s so it’s, it’s important. You know, it’s easy. It’s really easy to hide in the business when personal life is hard. I know that for me. I remember when my kids were really little, I, I hid from the hard, and that was how I coped with postpartum depression was I threw myself in work. I should have. I wish I would’ve known that I was dealing with postpartum depression and anxiety. And I wish I would’ve been diagnosed. I wish I would’ve had medication because how I self medicated was work. And it took a while to undo that where I was like hiding from like this infant, I had a hard time bonding with.

Kristen Boss (00:50:15):

And if like, and I can have so much compassion for that version of me now. But when you learn to not be somebody who hides with hides in your family to avoid the work or hides in your work to avoid the family, like your life becomes a lot richer, but it does mean you have to heal. It does mean like there are stories for you to heal in order for you not to hide. So I just, I’m really thankful you brought up that point, cuz I think that’s important to say. And I, I would just say, you know, I’ve been talking about this next round of the mastermind. I’m gonna be talking a lot less about, you know, recovering your paycheck as quickly as possible and driving the bottom line. Like yes. And that is inevitable. When you do all this work in the container, it is guaranteed.

Kristen Boss (00:50:56):

You stay in this work, it’s going to happen. But let’s talk about the health of the person. Let’s talk about the health of the family unit. Let’s talk about the health of your finances. Let’s talk about healthy coping mechanisms. When you feel stressed, let’s talk about leadership. Let’s talk about coaching. Let’s talk about all of those things that we think aren’t sexy, but they are so necessary to the whole of the person. And that’s, for me, I’m like if our enrollment is smaller this time, I don’t care because I want people in the round for that work and saying, yep. That’s, what’s the most important thing to me is the whole of me, not just the bottom line. It’s a, it’s a yes. And it’s it’s that, but not all of that. What about you Roxy? What’s been your biggest lesson the past four months.

Roxy Saran (00:51:38):

Oh my goodness. I look back at the last four months. So like I’m unrecognizable, like I’ve dropped 13 or 14 pounds. I’m working out every day. I’m not no flour, no sugar. So I’m not coping with food, no alcohol. Since after the mastermind, I was like, you know what I’m done with this? Like I just decided and, um, can we say daily sucks? Like, is that OK? That’s like, what if you can likes for that? If you, you here, we’re going there. But like, I dunno, it’s just, everything is different. Um, I have like one-on-one meetings with my qualifiers and just apologize for what I didn’t know. Like for, I was just horrible. And now I look back, I’m like, oh my gosh, that person with compassion. But just to be able to say no, no excuses, but I’m sorry for the way it was, but now we’re gonna go a different way and, and invite them into what’s coming 2.0, right. And, um, pause

Kristen Boss (00:52:33):

Just a second. I’m like, I was not prepared for all of these wins. And I’m like, first of all, where’s your celebration post in the Facebook group? Like the fact do, do you realize, like the reason why you’ve gone without sugar and flour and alcohol and you’ve lost the weight and you’re having more sex, do you understand this is all a product of feeling your feelings? You do realize that, right?

Roxy Saran (00:52:53):

I guess, I suppose I, it goes back to the feelings. I still don’t like feelings <laugh>

Kristen Boss (00:52:59):

But you were doing it because when you were denying yourself, the sugar, you, the emotion of like either frustration or entitlement or, or annoyance or boredom, like you are learning to sit with uncomfortable emotions. Like, what you’ve done is you’ve removed all of your buffers.

Roxy Saran (00:53:18):

Yeah. It made really aware, say what it made me real. It made me really aware. Yeah. Of, um, what I self-medicating like what I was doing. Like either I was, um, you know, get chocolate or chips or whatever, or a claw or what, I don’t even know what they’re called, but it didn’t matter. Like, um, it made me sit and realize that I had no boundaries and anytime a boundary well or perceived boundary was stepped on, then I would get angry or upset with it and medicate self medicate with something else. And so when you don’t, then it does make you like, oh, okay. See

Kristen Boss (00:53:57):

Feeling your feelings. Whole life is richer. I’m just okay. Daily sex. Hello. That’s amazing. Okay. You have to post these wins in the Facebook group. So everybody sees that because that is one of the values of the mastermind. Like those are the things we celebrate, like the whole of the person anyways, keep going. You’re like I’m unrecognizable the four months and your biggest lesson.

Roxy Saran (00:54:17):

Yes. Yeah. Just biggest lessons is that it’s okay to slow down. And, um, it is such a beautiful container that we have to be able to share because when I’m on a trip or anywhere out, I’m like, oh, I have to, I have to sign them up. I have to recruit them. I have you feel like you’re always having to do, but then in this container, it’s like, I don’t have to do, I can just be. And, um, it’s such a weird dichotomy of you’re like, I am confident in who I am and where I I’ve gotten, and I know my value. But then on the other side of the coin is like, shame of why isn’t it going faster? Or I should be further along or all, whatever stories that we have. So it’s like this two sided coin, and you can have both at the same time.

Roxy Saran (00:55:02):

And I think as top leaders, we don’t have that outlet somewhere else to be able to safely talk about those feelings. And there was at one point last year, my sister started selling, um, a new company, a one single product. Um, and she tried to recruit me, which I thought was hilarious. But, um, I, I thought about, for me, I was like, maybe would these to sell something else? Like maybe our product is too complicated or maybe, you know, whatever. And it’s like, oh my gosh, like I’m on multiple six figure earner for 10 years. And it’s so easy to see that flashy, next thing. And again, being in the container to see that everyone has the same struggles, everyone has the same things. And to be able to have a safe place, to talk about it, to talk about our feelings, even though we don’t like them, um, is, has been invaluable.

Kristen Boss (00:55:45):

Yeah. That’s amazing. And you know, again, I think you guys are seeing now, like again at the beginning, you’re like, okay, a year. I think it, but once you’re in the work, you’re like, I can imagine it probably feels like taking a breath and being like, oh thank God. I have like another eight months ahead of me. And I’ve just, I’ve cleared so much gunk out of the way now. It’s like, now I get to clear do the work. And I tell people, I’m like, listen, when you clear the gunk, when you finally sit down to do the work, it goes so much faster. How, you know, Roxy, how did you help yourself feel safe with slowing down? Because a lot of people look at like, my paycheck cannot go down and if I slow down, the paycheck is down and if the paycheck is down, I’m not okay. And therefore I have to speed up. Like that’s, that’s, that’s a very real tension and I’m not gonna like skirt around the bushes to say, to, you know, say, oh, no, no, no, it’s fine. Like, no, this is a, might be a real thing that someone has to grapple with in the container. What would you say to that? How would, how did you learn to feel safe with that?

Roxy Saran (00:56:48):

For sure. I, I stopped thinking of you. There was one podcast or one of the one sentence that you said one recently. Like, it doesn’t matter how fast you got there. It doesn’t matter. Like there was no award that I got to that rank in a year. Like nobody cares. Like nobody cares. What if it took you five years or 10 years? It doesn’t matter. And so that stuck with me, but also it was like, what if I’m playing the long game? What if I’m now am playing the infinite game? And you said something in recent, a recent call with somebody else about income being down, uh, like two months in, I look back, I’m like two months in a row. It was down, but it it’s still higher than last year. So I’m like, what’s, what’s the problem. Right. So it makes you sit and like, okay, let’s analyze data. And then, um, so that was helpful for me, but also what you said, something like, what if it’s like this for a year? How are you safe? And I thought, okay. Even if it is for a year, I’m still safe. Like that is okay, because I’m intentionally, like we chose to intentionally slow down. So yeah. I dunno if that answers.

Kristen Boss (00:57:47):

Yeah. It’s and I, and I’m constantly telling you guys, I’m like, if you think about it one year out of your entire network marketing career is such like, is such a tiny, tiny, tiny fragment of your time. So are we think like a year that’s so much, or, you know, 30 K for a year, that’s so much, but when we like really zoom out and we look at, okay, what are your lifetime earnings as a network marketer, 1,000,500 K 2 million, 3 million, like what’s 30 K compared to 3 million. When you are, when we are talking about the whole of your business and sustainability for the, for your entire network marketing career. Even if you were, you know, even, and people do jump companies. And even if they were I’m like, you still get to take all these principles with you. And another thing I tell you guys, the things you learn in there, no one else teaches there.

Kristen Boss (00:58:35):

There is literally no container like this for network marketers, which is why I said, well, it’s kinda like an MBA for network marketers. It’s like going to college, like intense business school with a side of like life coaching, like all in one, but it’s just, you know, it helps to zoom out because when we’re so caught up in the minutia, in the tiny things, being like, what’s my paycheck doing this month, this day, I’m like, okay, yes, this month, maybe even this quarter, but let’s really zoom out and say, okay, what about the year? And from the year, what about over the next 10 years? And really getting perspective to make better decisions and getting out of that scarce what’s happening right now today in my business versus, you know, the business I’m creating for my future. So you guys had such really wonderful things to share with the audience. I’m so glad that you guys came on. It was so fun. Hearing, just your stories, getting to interview you guys being in round one. And I know for me, I’m really excited to interview you, you know, five, six months from now and the stories we’re gonna be saying then, cuz I know it’s gonna be extraordinarily different. So we’ll wrap it up with this one last thought. What would you say to the person who’s on the fence about joining this next round? Wendy, we’ll start with you

Wendy Gendreau (00:59:47):

Trust the process and the long game and just do it because in six months you’re not gonna regret it.

Kristen Boss (00:59:54):

Yep. And it’s only been four months for you. <laugh> you’re going <laugh> I love it. What about you Maile?

Maile Maii (01:00:02):

We, um, so in Hawaiian we call it the, now it’s very similar to like your gut, but like trust your gut, trust your, your now like go inward and really prey on it and make the decision for yourself. Don’t outsource that decision to other people. Don’t ask your upline, your crossline, you know, other people in your company. Like, I mean, that’s what these podcasts are for, right? Why you’re doing these interviews. So you can hear from people who’ve actually done this program, like lean on this and then take everything you’re hearing from these and really sit with that and see if it’s right for you. This may not. I mean, obviously I think there’s only what, 20 something of us. It’s not for everybody, but if it’s for you, you will know. And just start practicing that self trust before, um, and see what you come up with. And if it’s a, yes, that it’s a yes. And then apply.

Kristen Boss (01:00:59):

What’d you call the gut is in the O

Maile Maii (01:01:01):

The O yeah.

Kristen Boss (01:01:02):

I love that. So good. Okay. Roxy, what about you?

Roxy Saran (01:01:05):

Yeah, definitely. I agree with that. If, if you’re feeling like, I felt like I was called here, right? Like someone shared a podcast with me and then I was like totally drawn to it, but I literally couldn’t stop thinking about it. Like, and then when you showed us literally your funnel, Kristen, from beginning to end, I’m like she was looking for me from the beginning and you didn’t know my name. Um, but you built and your post and your content, everything was written to find me. And I’m so grateful for that, but it makes me think as a leader, who am I looking for? And they need what I have right now and how can I be, how I’m here to heal and to create systems for those future leaders that are out there. They don’t even know it yet, but I’m gonna be able to provide a solution for them and hope for them just like you did for me. And so I’m really grateful for that.

Kristen Boss (01:01:55):

Aw, you guys are amazing. This was so good. Thank you guys for sharing your honest thoughts and being vulnerable and saying yes to you, listening to your gut, giving yourself permission to invest as a serious business owner and make those decisions accordingly and learning to trust yourself. It’s just been super powerful to see, and

Kristen Boss (01:02:22):

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