Adopting a positive mindset doesn’t require constant happiness or invalidate the existence of negativity and hardships. Instead, it emphasizes resilience, the ability to find solutions, build relationships, and the belief in one’s capacity to overcome obstacles. Positive thinking is a mindset that empowers you to navigate life’s challenges with resilience, self-confidence, and a growth-oriented perspective.
Today on the podcast, Kristen welcomes superstar guest Jon Gordon. Jon is an author, speaker, and consultant known for his work in the field of leadership, teamwork, and positive mindset. Jon shares insight into his latest book The One Truth and emphasizes the power of positivity, resilience, and a growth-oriented mindset in achieving success and happiness.
Listen in as Kristen and Jon talk about:
- The five D’s of negative thoughts and strategies to overcome negative thoughts with positivity
- How and why positive power thinking feels vulnerable
- Your identity is not rooted in your success, wealth, or fame
- Approaches to flip negative thoughts faster
- How a positive mindset isn’t a temporary place, it’s a lifelong commitment
Ultimately, a positive mindset liberates you from external validation, leading to lasting happiness and a fulfilling life based on your values and aspirations. It’s about consciously focusing on the positive aspects, maintaining optimism, and developing a resilient and solutions-oriented mindset.
By committing to a lifelong practice of positive thinking, you can experience greater happiness, contentment, and fulfillment.
Visit https://jongordon.com/ to explore more about Jon Gordon, his books, and access free resources.
Learn more about his latest book One Truth at Getonetruth.com
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Transcript for Episode #167: The One Truth with Jon Gordon
Kristen Boss (00:19): You are listening to the Kristen Boss Podcast. I’m your host, Kristen Boss. As a bestselling author and performance coach, I’m on a mission to share about sustainable and purposeful approaches to both business and life. Each week I bring relevant topics that I believe are necessary to create a life of purpose, significance and meaning. Entrepreneurship is about so much more than growing your bottom line. It’s about who you are becoming in the process and building a life that is truly extraordinary. Entrepreneurship is really just the beginning. Hey there. Welcome to another episode of the show. This week I’m super excited to be welcoming a superstar guest and I really do say a superstar because he has 28 best selling books and he is author of a well-known book that you might have heard of the Energy Bus. And I am so thrilled to bring on the show, John Gordon, to talk about his new book, the One Truth. John, I’m so glad you’re here,
Jon Gordon (01:18): Kristin. Thanks for having me.
Kristen Boss (01:20): Yes, I think between your schedule and my schedule, I’m like, I was just told my team, I was like, whatever we have to do to get John on, we got to get John on before his book comes out just because I know what you are about and how much value you bring. And I know my audience is just going to absolutely get so much from you and your interview today. So I’m excited for just the value I know you’re going to bring. So if my audience doesn’t know a lot about who you work with, because I know you work with some major people out there, just who are some of the people that you work with as a coach?
Jon Gordon (01:51): Yeah. I get to work with a lot of amazing organizations and sports teams and companies over the years. Work with Sean McVay and the Rams work with Dave Roberts and the Dodgers. He brought me in to speak to his team several years in a row when he first got the job. Same thing with Sean. Been working for the Rams ever since he got the job. Clemson football and Dabo Sweeney for the last 12 years. I speak every year during training camp. He’s read my books and then brought me in to speak and worked with the Miami Heat and Eric Spolstra, in and Out Burger and Lindsay Schneider and her organization, they rolled out the energy bus and the power positive leadership to their entire organization. So that’s been a lot of fun. Evan Spiegel and Snapchat worked with him and his leadership team when he was struggling in 2017, 18, and brought me in to speak and really turned around his company with positivity and positive leadership.
Jon Gordon (02:40): So it was really great to see. And then just tons of companies like Southwest Airlines and GE Healthcare and you name it. And yeah, I just love talking about positive leadership, love talking about positive teamwork, but most importantly the positive mindset that you have to have if you want to succeed in any endeavor. Whether you’re leading a team, selling to a customer, playing a sport, or you have a teenager that is struggling right now with their mental health. These principles apply and I work with all of ’em. Like I will literally talk to a 16 year old teenager, give him these principles, teach ’em some strategies. And I’ve watched him turn around from being suicidal two days before in the ER room to being turned around and literally doing amazing ever since. So I am passionate about talking about these
Kristen Boss (03:27): Things. Yeah, I could totally tell and I love it. And I think this conversation like positive thinking is always a positive mindset is always a necessary and important conversation. But I think especially after, I don’t know, it just seems like since 2020 it has been hard and people have been still mentally trying to come out of what I would call just a really dark season. And it’s very easy to get caught up in what you see in current events and maybe not even realize just how negative your mindset is. Most people don’t understand that 80% of their thoughts are negative and recurring on a daily basis, and they don’t even realize that their life is being led by their negative thinking about themselves and others.
Jon Gordon (04:07): Yeah, I heard someone say, yes, sir. They’re not very creative with their negative thoughts cause they have the same ones over and over again. Yes. And I thought that was really funny. At least you could have different ones and be more creative with negative thoughts. But we have the same ones. Cause they are reoccurring, they are common and negative thoughts are always coming in and they’ve been coming in more and more over the last few years. I’m convinced that the media and social media with all the negativity and all the fear and fear causes people to feel separate. And that makes you feel weaker. It makes you feel divided, it makes you feel distracted. And then it leads to anxiety. So I talk about the five D’s as you know, and these five D’s will really rak havoc on us. And these are the five D’s of negative thoughts.
Jon Gordon (04:52): And it starts with doubt, like a doubt comes in and then you start to have negative thoughts according to the doubt. There’s uncertainty, then there’s distortions and negative thoughts are distortions of the truth. There are lies that will tell you things about yourself and your future that just aren’t true. So negative thoughts are always coming in. And when I talk to people, I ask ’em, do your negative thoughts come from you? And they’re like, yeah, of course they’re in my head. Here’s the next question. If you believe your negative thoughts will come from you, who would ever choose to have a negative thought? Would you ever choose a negative thought? No, I wouldn’t. Are you choosing the nightmares and the dreams that you have? No thoughts are always coming in. And just because you have a negative thought doesn’t mean you have to believe it.
Jon Gordon (05:30): So don’t believe the lies that they tell, but they are coming in. They come from consciousness, they come from a spiritual place. No one has ever found a thought inside of a brain. I’ve asked neuroscientists. And so the brain is the hardware. It’s where the activation happens and thoughts exist in the software, the consciousness of software. And we’re always downloading these thoughts to our brain. And many times they’re in the forms of distortions lies negative thoughts, which then discourage us. That’s the third day. So we got distortion, discouragement, and we don’t give up cause it’s hard. We give up cause we get discouraged. And so when you get discouraged, you don’t have energy, you feel weak, you feel powerless. And so that’s how negative thoughts could really affect us. And then think about positive thoughts. They uplift you, they encourage you, they make you feel great.
Jon Gordon (06:14): Think about the difference between negative thoughts and positive thoughts. And then there’s the fourth E, which is distraction. And distractions are the enemy of greatness. And we’re always having distractions sometimes in the form of thoughts, oh, you should do this instead. Oh, don’t do that, that’s a waste of time. Or you should do this and get this shiny object. Meanwhile, it might be a distraction or it might be even something that seems benign, that it’s a little fun here and there, but it slowly moves you away from your purpose and from your mission and from the work that you’re here to do. So you always got to be on guard against distractions and thoughts that actually bring about distractions. And then there’s that 50 which is divide and the root for the Greek word of anxious means to separate and divide. Think about that. When you feel anxious, you feel separate and you feel divided.
Jon Gordon (07:03): Fear divides. Fear causes anxiety. Negative thoughts cause anxiety and lead to fear, which leads to more separateness and division. And then that leads to you feeling weak, powerless, and it makes you want to give up. That’s what happens with negative thoughts. The good news is we can overcome them and that’s what positive mindsets are all about. That’s what positive thinking is all about. Sometimes people criticize positive thinking, oh, that’s just Pollyanna thinking. No, there’s a war going on in your mind and a battle in your mind. And you’ve got to win the battle by confronting and overcoming the negative thoughts with positive thoughts. And the brain is an antenna, as I wrote about in the one truth, and you could tune into a negative frequency or a positive frequency. Those are our two main frequencies and that’s why everything’s always about positive or negative. It’s about good and bad.
Jon Gordon (07:53): It’s about love and hate up and down. There’s always duality. And so it’s about tuning into the positive on a daily basis. And the more we do that and tune into the positive, guess what, we uplift ourselves. We encourage ourselves, we feel better, we feel more hopeful, we feel more optimistic. And that’s when you have greater success. Research from Duke University shows that optimists work harder, get paid more, and are more likely to succeed in business and sports. And what they found was that these optimists, because they believed in a brighter and better future, they took the actions necessary to create it. Think about that because you believed it. You took the actions necessary then to create the reality of it. It shows the power of mind and it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy of belief.
Kristen Boss (08:39): I talk about this a lot with self-fulfilling prophecy with our thoughts. And I think the statistics about optimism, it makes so much sense, but I think we have people that are afraid to be optimistic. I like the vulnerability. I think we can sometimes feel with optimism being like, I’m going to let myself hope, I’m going to let myself dream, but what if I end up disappointed? And I think people won’t let themselves experience optimism because I think in the end of the day what they fear is maybe disappointment. And so some people are like, well, I’m I, I’m a realist. I hear if people say I’m not an optimist, I’m not a pessimist, I’m a realist. I’m like, oh yes, but is that serving you? What can you speak to that? Where with someone that’s like, I’m kind of afraid power positive thinking feels vulnerable.
Jon Gordon (09:25): I love that you’re saying that. And the way you just brought it up is so profound and not many people think about the way you do Kristen. And you’re right. So they’re afraid to be optimistic because they don’t want to be let down. They don’t want to then get disappointed, but here’s why. They’re attaching the outcome to the identity of who they are. So they’re basing their result and that result will determine their identity. They have to understand they’re not their result, they’re not their failure. You’re not even failing, you’re becoming, you’re learning, you are growing. So it’s all about how you see yourself and your identity. I look back on my own life, I’ve failed a lot, but I never looked at my failures as defining who I was Early on as an athlete, I did. And guess what? Every performance on the field was basically a life and death moment.
Jon Gordon (10:14): Because if I didn’t play well, it was death. If I played well, it was life. So I was defined by my performance. And that’s the problem, that’s the challenge. It’s sort of like when you have people who feel unworthy, people feel unworthy, either could be a perfectionist or someone who retreats and does nothing, never anything else. It’s one of those two things. So if I’m unworthy, I now have to be a perfectionist because now as I work hard and I get results, now I am actually worthy I, there’s validation to who I am and now I feel worthy because of what I’m doing, but not who I am. And so it’s two sides of the same coin. Or the other person who’s unworthy doesn’t become a perfectionist. They retreat and they don’t even try because they don’t want to be let down. So it all goes to, do I feel a value?
Jon Gordon (11:03): Do I feel validated? Do I feel separate? When you know that you’re not separate, that you’re one, that you’re defined by not what you do, by who you are and that your failures do not define you, then you’re free to go after things. And then if you succeed, great If you don’t, it’s a learning opportunity to grow and get stronger. Loss. L O S S stands for learning opportunity. Stay strong. So we’re going to learn, we’re going to take that opportunity, we’re going to get better from it, we’re going to stay strong and we’re going to create better opportunities as we go forward. And so I think it’s all changing our perspective, our mindset, but we have to understand what’s causing that in the first place. And can we address this? People always talk about, oh, they’re afraid of success. No and so’s afraid of success.
Jon Gordon (11:47): That is just not true. That is, that’s just hogwash. No one is afraid of success. You tell me someone who’s afraid of wealth, success, having great things, doing great things, enjoying their life, no one is afraid of that. You know what we’re afraid of? We don’t deserve success. That’s what really afraid. We don’t feel like we deserve it. We’re not afraid of success. We all want success. We’re not afraid of it. We’re afraid that we don’t deserve it. And I never really liked the Marion Williamson quote that says, that’s our lightness, that scares us, our greatest fear. Yeah, no, no, we love shining in the light. That’s not our greatest fear. Our greatest fear is that we don’t believe we deserve the light and we don’t live up to the light. That’s what it comes down to. I’m
Kristen Boss (12:28): So glad you talked about that because I totally agree with you. It’s like when people are like, I think I’m afraid of success, like, but are you. When I really sat with it, I realized, okay, well what is actually scary about success? Well, the actual success itself sounds really great. Nobody doesn’t want that, right? It’s more, sometimes it’s a fear of what success might cost us, meaning, and it goes down to worth and value. So it’s like if I am this successful version of me, I remember this is something I had to work through who might not love or accept that version of me, the person who has that company, who has that book, will I still be loved? And when we’re asking, will I still be loved? That’s just asking, am I still worthy? Do I still matter? So again, it’s not the fear of success. It does go down to deservedness and worth. And if we deem as like, oh, this person isn’t going to love me or receive me, or I’m going to be separate, I will be alone in my success, then that’s what I’m afraid of. It’s not the success itself, it’s maybe the byproducts that come with success, and maybe that’s what we actually need to really contend with.
Jon Gordon (13:30): And then you become very successful, a lot of the people I get to work with. And then you have to say, okay, who’s with me? Because I’m now a success and who really loves me for who I am and is here for me based on my friendship with them, not because they can get something from me, but guess what, when you don’t have anything, people are still asking the same question, who is with me and who loves me? And who’s really truly here for me right now at this point in my life? So either way, as a human being, you’re going to have the same questions of who really is here for you. But yes, when you get successful, you find out who your real friends are. When you’re not successful, you find out who your real friends are. But also it goes down to, again, validation.
Jon Gordon (14:11): Same thing with fame, same thing with social media. We want fame. We want celebrity wide because there’s this gap between oneness and separateness. And in the gap we’re trying to fill it with things that give us the feeling of connection and oneness. And because we feel separate, we’re now trying to fill the gap with fame. Success likes results, recognition, praise. And the more you’re seeking that, that’s a temporary relief of trying to feel good. But it doesn’t last. It’s like taking sand and trying to fill up a hole that you’ll never be able to fill. It’s futile. And we all have this hole in our soul that needs to be filled. But fame will never fill it. Money will never fill it. Success will never fill it. You could only fill it with feeling worthy and knowing where your identity truly comes from and the love and forgiveness that heals.
Jon Gordon (15:02): And once you have that, once you have that, then everything else becomes more successful in your life. When you’re investing in the root, all of a sudden you’ll start to experience all this amazing fruit, but out of your need for success or need of validation, guess what? It can make you pretty successful in the short run. So it will propel you forward. The ego is a great driver, and I’ve been there. It will drive you, but eventually, eventually it will be your demise and it’ll eventually, it will destroy you if you do not recognize what is truly driving you.
Kristen Boss (15:34): That’s so good. And I want to go off script just a second because you said something that was so good, and I know I had that moment, and it was a hard moment when I realized no amount of followers, nothing on my company’s revenue, no rank on Amazon bestseller, no amount of copies of books sold is going to fill. That for me is going to give me the feeling of worth and validation. I’ll never forget when I hit my first million dollars, how depressing it was where I was like, this is not what I thought it was going to be, right? Because I think what I really thought it was going to be was it was going to fill some the void I had that I didn’t know I was trying to fill with by success and acknowledgement. And I’m curious for you, when did you learn that first, learn that lesson in your life where you’re like, oh, it’s not, this can’t fail me.
Jon Gordon (16:26): I was 31 years old working for a.com, had like a hundred thousand shares, thought I would make my fortune and I lose my job during the.com crash. And I’m being all miserable and negative. And up to that point, it was all about me. And I was all about success. I had brought that athletic mindset that I had playing sports was all about getting results to feed this hole in the soul that I had. And it was a black hole. And I was very self-focused, not really focused on making a difference in the lives of others, just wanted to have money, be successful and show that I was someone who was worthy. And that’s when drove me. And then when I lost the job, everything came crumbling down. Didn’t know I was going to pay the bills. I had been in the restaurant business, sold the restaurants, and now literally I just have this job, lose it.
Jon Gordon (17:12): My wife and I were fighting all the time and she threatens to leave me because I was so negative and I was being miserable. And I was blaming her for why our life was so bad. And what I realized in that moment was it wasn’t any of this. My identity was completely destroyed and crumbled of anything external. And I realized, who am I? What am I here to do? What is my purpose? What am I mi? What’s my mission? It’s not any of this. All this is a facade. It doesn’t last. And guess what? I just saw a lot of it crumble. And at an early age, and it was in that moment, I said, okay, I’m here to make a difference. I want to serve others. I want to write and speak. Because that’s what came to me. When I asked what I was born to do, I said, I’m going to do that.
Jon Gordon (17:54): I don’t care if I ever become famous, successful that I’m going to do this. And even if it takes 10 to 15 years to eventually get my work out there, I’m going to do it because it’s, it’s going to be something I love, something that I’m meant to do. And that really drove me. And then when it took Energy Bus five years to be a bestseller, I was taught humility. During that time. I was taught hard work. And really, are you about the mission, John? Or is it about getting notoriety being a bestseller? So I think everything in life along the way taught me what life was and what it was and what would give me fulfillment. I remember making the bestseller list. I didn’t feel any different. My books have sold over 5 million copies now. I don’t feel any different. There are still days I wake up and I feel like I have something to prove because that’s the old me.
Jon Gordon (18:36): And guess what, we all have our old wounds that still drive us. I’m very aware of mine and I know mine. And in those moments, I’ve got to surrender. I’ve got to trust. I got to let go of my pride, let go of my ego and focus on the message and the mission of what I’m here to do, and focus on that purpose and get back to oneness, not separateness. And the more you do, you keep on tuning into that positive feeling, that oneness, and you start to live more powerfully. And instead of trying to fill that hole with all this other stuff, you actually feel more whole. And that is the game changer. And that’s what I hope when people read the One Truth, my hope is that that’s what they get from it. And they’ll start to live more that way. And they’re going to find so much more power in living that way. And I’ve talked to, by the way, coaches who have won Super Bowls, I’ve talked to leaders who have made fortunes even billions of dollars. And guess what? They’re not any happier after the accomplishment. The things we think will fill us and the things that will fill us, we don’t spend enough time doing them.
Kristen Boss (19:38): That reminds me of we can have those accolade, accolades, and well, what we’re left with really is the journey to the accomplishment. That’s often where most of our emotional reflection is not in the accomplishment itself. And that reminds me of, do you see the movie, the documentary, the Alpinist? And it was this young kid that was one of the best climbers in the world, and he was obsessed with climbing this one peak. And it took him years to figure out this peak. And he was living in Argentina or South America. And for L, he finally did it. And at the end, he summited this peak and it was the great work of his life. And I, I’ll never forget what he said after that. He’s like, I did it. I climbed to the peak and it was kind of depressing. But what I was left with was the journey, was the process of who I became and the pursuit of the climb. And so the
Jon Gordon (20:27): Character you develop along the way, yes is what it’s all about. And guess what? Every day feed yourself with that positivity. Feed yourself with optimism, belief. Look for ways to serve others, love, serve care on a daily basis. Grow from your mistakes, grow from your failures, and you’ll look back and you’ll wow. All that made me who I am today, including those failures. But if I never go for it, if I don’t have the courage to step into creating the best life that I can create, building my business, having an impact in this world, developing a team, helping other people actually be successful. Cause the more you help other be other people be successful, you then grow in your real success. The more you do that, you’ll realize, wow, that’s what life is all about. If you’re at the top of a mountain and you’re by yourself, I think John Maxwell said this, you’re not a leader, you’re a hiker. So yeah, a leader takes people with them. And so if you have great success and you could celebrate it with people, that means you did it the right way. And so I’m just a big believer in letting people know that it’s positivity and it’s relationships. The more we experience those relationships on the journey and the oneness instead of the separateness. So the more you’re connected to people that makes life meaningful, the more you’re separate from people when life feels meaningless, this is what life’s all about. This is what success is all about.
Kristen Boss (21:47): And it’s also so important for our people who are listening. They’re like, okay, I had this positive thinking. I’m in it. I’m for it. Just like it’s a forever thing. You don’t commit to the process and you’re like, I am now a positive person who never, ever thinks of a negative thought ever again. That’s just, it’s als. It’s just not possible. But you become somebody who know, who knows how to contend with your negative thoughts and how to flip them faster. Because I do think that’s where I see some people get discouraged where they’ll enter into like, okay, I’m ready to do this. I’m ready to become this person who thinks differently and shows up differently. And then suddenly they’re blindsided when two years later they’re like, oh, I still have that really crappy thought about myself. Or I still have that story. And for me, I know, I’m like, yeah, the story keeps coming up. It’s just got a different flavor, different texture each time, and I’m a different person each time I sit with a story because I now have different perspective of I’ve, I’ve learned to sit with compassion with my story being like, yes, I understand it. I see it, but I don’t give it the power. What are your thoughts on the pursuit of this work without getting, I don’t know, unrealistic with ourselves and being like, I’ll never be negative again?
Jon Gordon (22:57): I think knowing that you’re going to be negative is important because you will, babe, we’re all going to have negative thoughts and we’ll be days. We get up, we don’t feel very positive. That’s what we need a purpose to give us something to be positive about. That’s what your mission drives you to be more positive that day. And it, it’s understanding that when things come up and keep coming up, they’ll let you know that that’s a wound in your soul that needs to be healed, and it keeps coming up. So you’ll heal it just like the wound keeps surfacing because you need to take care of the wound. The arm has pain because it’s broken and needs to be healed. So you’ll keep having things that come up that recognize and reinforce the pain that you’ve had in the past or that you’re feeling now, but it’s a great opportunity to heal.
Jon Gordon (23:39): And the way we heal, we got to move towards wholeness. I want to share with people practicality. So yeah, you got the five D’s. Well, how do you overcome the five D’s, t u n e, trust and truth? So every day, when the doubt comes in, just trust and then speak truth to the lies. When the lies come in, you speak truth. The truth is, I’m here to do great things. The truth is, I have everything inside of me to be successful. The truth is, I was negative today, but guess what? Tomorrow’s an opportunity to be more positive and take on these challenges. The truth is, I’m not perfect and I make mistakes, but along the way, I’m going to grow and I’m going to get better. That is truth. You unite with love. Love cast out fear. So anytime fear tries to separate you, get back to loving what you do, loving the moment, loving people, loving the competition, loving the opportunity.
Jon Gordon (24:27): You have to grow your business and be successful the minute you focus on love, because love cast out fear. Fear dissipates. So anytime fear comes in, you focus on love. That is my greatest performance tool. I’ve gotten athletes to be high performing athletes, do incredible things from this one technique of just focusing on love. I shared this with the Notre Dame lacrosse team the other day before they left for the final four, I was in South Bend speaking at a purpose summit, saw that they were still in town, called up the coach, went over to the team, shared this one message with them about love instead of fear. They won the semi-final game in the national championship. They were asked the difference. They said, love. We focused on love instead of fear. How cool is that? But guess what? We can do that every day in our businesses and with our sales.
Jon Gordon (25:11): Love your client, love serving them, love potential clients because you know that you can help them. Pavarotti was always talking about what made it him the best performer. He said, everybody wants the audience to love them. He said, I love the audience. Yes. So they made you focus on love. Fear dissipates. So that’s unite with love. N n n. Neutralize the negativity. I was along that N for a second. Neutralize the negativity. Love it. So when the negativity does come in, you got to neutralize it on a daily basis because they’re always coming in. So neutralize them, right? Stop. And then on the left side of the piece of paper, write down your negative thoughts on a right side. Write down the words of encouragement. You will speak to those negative thoughts you do this day in, day out, like where you have the written down one time.
Jon Gordon (25:57): But anytime the negative thought comes in, speak to positive thought, you’ll turn it around and then elevate your thinking. So every day you’re elevating your thinking with optimism, with belief, with encouragement, with gratitude. Everyone always talks about gratitude, but they don’t give the science behind it. When you practice gratitude and you appreciate, you elevate, you elevate your mood, your performance, and the people around you, and you actually elevate the frequency of the thoughts you’re tuning into with your brain. So your brain literally starts to tune into more positive thoughts. And then what happens? You start to attract more positive things in your life. What we put out there, we receive. And it’s incredible how being grateful makes you a gratitude magnet. And so I’m convinced abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart. And I think if you do that every day, I don’t think I know, cause I’ve had thousands of people do this over the years. You do this every day and you tune in, you’ll overcome the five Ds. You’ll feel more whole. You’ll take on this world with more power and peace instead of fear and anxiety.
Kristen Boss (26:55): Boom. That was so good. John, I’m so excited for my listeners to grab your book, the One Truth which is going to be out when we release this podcast, we’re going to send them to your links. Where can my people find you? If they want to learn more about the amazing work you do in the world,
Jon Gordon (27:09): They go to john gordon.com, j o n gordon.com or get one truth.com. That’s Get one truth. We got free resources for people if they get the book for the launch. And everything we talked about is in the book in terms of higher state of mind versus lower state of mind, and what’s going to make you more powerful in this world. So I do hope people read it, but I also do a weekly positive tip every week, and that’s free if they just want to sign up for that at my website, john gordon.com, and I share that out every week.
Kristen Boss (27:35): Love it. We’re going to have those links in the show notes. Friends, you heard it from John. John, I’m so glad to have you here. This was so valuable. I know my listeners are going to love it, and it was great having you.
Jon Gordon (27:44): Thanks, Kristen. I really appreciate you having me. You have an amazing audience. You do amazing work. So I, I’m a huge fan and I really appreciate you having me on.
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